I see the governor was in beautiful Skaneateles Monday, with the great-looking lake Skaneateles has by the Sherwood Inn. Too bad he couldn't have come to Auburn to listen to aging, loose manhole covers and talk about the landfill.
Even with NASA saying global warming is a myth, that Al Gore is wrong about everything, this idiot John McCain says global warning is his No. 1 priority. What an insult to older Americans.
There is no greater evidence of the terrible damage the ultra-liberal media in Central New York, including radio, TV and newspaper, do to the public than the people running for the Auburn school board.
If Hillary is really "on the ropes," watch out for "rope-a-dope," part II.
So you think Auburn is cheesy enough, huh? Tell you what --- everybody in this area needs the city of Auburn a lot more than Auburn needs them. So get off your high horse and start talking sense.
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AJ wrote on May 17, 2008 1:12 PM:
DD, I have made my case so why won't you debate the points? You have no ground to stand on, which is probably why you won't. What I have stated are undeniable FACTS that are not even in dispute. You don't like agree with them because they prove that the "official" conspiracy theory is the fraud that it is, and you simply cannot accept that. You asked me to back up my statements/claims and I already have numerous times, with links to highly credible sources. Don't take my word for it do your own research.
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Farmer's Gal wrote on May 17, 2008 11:41 AM:
I haven't made this issue one of particular interest, but if I were a landowner, I'd be very cautious. Corporations don't give away anything for free and they aren't known for being respectful of the environment. I daresay I could find out more if I contacted a few friends.... "
Unknown... wrote on May 17, 2008 11:40 AM:
karl wrote on May 17, 2008 11:24 AM:
Down in Pennsylvania all the farmers are being offered big money for drilling rights on their farmland. It started out at $27, then $45, then $51 dollars per acre---and it's up to $2100 now per acre!
They're also giving up to 17% profit back on any discovery--but people ar wary, and the rigs make an awful mess, and play havoc with groundwater and wells.
Anybody know anything about it?
Farmer's Gal? YOu heard anything yet? "
karl wrote on May 17, 2008 11:19 AM:
Even John McCain admitted it. What you cite about our oil NOW may be correct, but the goal is to plunder Iraq's oil and to reclaim the fields from the indigenous people's control the way that British Petroleum had ruled it back before 1951.
IN 1951 the ruling party in Iraq nationalized their oil fields, and BP went NUTS! They asked the USA to organize a coup to re-install the Shah (who had been ousted from power in 1951 as well). The Shah would "play nice" with the US and BP and let them run the show.
The Shah ruled with increasingly brutal repression for 25 years, and it was THIS that sparked the Islamic Revolution of the 1970'2--and PRECISELY THE SOURCE OF ANTI-AMERICANISM IN THE MIDDLE EAST TODAY!
The fact is, America and it's stuffy ally, England, got greedy and basically followed the dictates of Big Oil even so far back as the 1950's, and bullied their way to causing the current conflict now.
If only we had good men like Barack Obama in office back then--they could have negotiated and dealed with the Iraqi leaders and we never might've gotten in bed with Saddam(and then had to take him out like a bunch of treasonous traitors) to stop him from spilling his secrets.
But the bottom line is--WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR OIL.
PERIOD! "
quiveringthigh wrote on May 17, 2008 11:18 AM:
dd wrote on May 17, 2008 11:12 AM:
chris van note wrote on May 17, 2008 10:37 AM:
news reader wrote on May 17, 2008 8:46 AM:
theking wrote on May 17, 2008 7:45 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 17, 2008 6:16 AM:
That's one of the differences between a family farm and a corporate farm -- a corporate farm typically has a three-tiered hierarchy with one group owning the business, one group or person managing it on a daily basis, and a third group doing the actual work. Seldom will you find those owning family members out in the barn milking the cows or out in the fields running the tractor, much less will they be the ones handling the manure they spread on fields (and roadways, waterways and portions released into the air) by our houses. A family farm can be incorporated and not be an industrial business, and a corporate farm can be owned by a family, but the difference isn't just incorporation or even just size -- you can take several factors into account.
But those big boys are the ones who get the big bucks out of Congress -- and they are the ones who DO NOT NEED IT. Those big boys are the ones busy driving the small, more environmentally safe and more community-friendly family farms out of business then buying up their land, ever expanding and using our tax dollars to do it.
They use our tax dollars to clean up the more egregious mess and waste they create in pursuit of their profits too -- gods forbid they should have to be financially responsible for cleaning up after themselves.
I don't have much good to say about Bush, but if he vetoed the farm bill, good for him, and no, I am not surprised our corporate-owned Congress overrode his veto.
Maybe we should call it the Kraft Cheese Congress, or the Sunoco Congress, the way they name college Bowl games after their corporate sponsors.... "
AJ wrote on May 17, 2008 2:14 AM:
AJ wrote on May 17, 2008 2:07 AM:
how about debating the points though?
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AJ wrote on May 17, 2008 1:56 AM:
However, cm, as I mentioned I find you a walking talking contradiction, and I stand by that assessment. Occasionally, you actually make some sense. Not often, but you do. Somehow though, I don't quite understand how you figure that the Mississippi comes out of NY state. Ok, well, there are other issues I have as well, but I'll leave it at that for now. "
fedupstate wrote on May 17, 2008 12:43 AM:
fedupstate wrote on May 17, 2008 12:43 AM:
fedupstate wrote on May 17, 2008 12:41 AM:
fedupstate wrote on May 17, 2008 12:32 AM:
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AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 11:35 PM:
Absolutely says the Apollo nation
Last week we asked whether there was enough courage and smarts in the United States to respond to the economic, environmental, and political peril we face. Is America capable of writing a new compact with its people that sees the public interest as having greater priority than serving the private interest. That represents a sharp departure in the governing and cultural direction that nation pursued over the last quarter century. Your responses clearly indicated America is ready for a change that sees clean energy and good jobs as central to our greatness in this century. "
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 10:16 PM:
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 10:02 PM:
karl wrote on May 16, 2008 9:56 PM:
By the way, did I say "X 100"? I meant "X 1,000,000,000,000,000"!
Sorry--typo! "
cm wrote on May 16, 2008 9:48 PM:
Mississippi river stretches from NY to Idaho,and drains water & the sediment load to 31 states.
60 million yrs. ago the ocean reached to Missouri, but as the sea level fell the river dropped enough mud to create land from MO. to the sea. The new land became LA.coast with barrier islands.
Numerous manmade actions caused a loss of land the size of Delaware.
Series of Dams built in the upper Midwest/High Plains/upper Missouri River(ND. ending in SD.) to provide electricity/irragation/flood protection caused he sediment to be at 40% of its natural amount.
Another factor is 30% of the nations oil/gas production comes from LA. The industrey dredged 10,000 miles of canals thru Marsh bringing in salt water that killed it.
Along with the Gulf Intracoastal waterway, another 1200 miles damaged more Marsh again by saltwater.
The waterway directly dumped the storm surge into the center of New Orleans.
Had there been land there, Not a waterway, New Orelans would not be needing a multi-Billion $ FEDERAL BILL passed.
The MAIN CAUSE IS: the Conservation groups! They saved the polar bear but neglected to save the land! "
cm wrote on May 16, 2008 9:05 PM:
In case you didn't know: Bush OBJECTED to giving married farmers who make 1.5 million a year a government subsidy! BUT Congress feels our tax dollars can aid these POOR farmers!
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quiveringthigh wrote on May 16, 2008 9:03 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 16, 2008 8:50 PM:
theking wrote on May 16, 2008 8:41 PM:
cm wrote on May 16, 2008 8:37 PM:
The fatal flaw of Dem's and liberalism:
the heart overrules the head and detrimental consequences usually follow! "
cm wrote on May 16, 2008 8:22 PM:
In your own country the "activists" just saved the polar bear which means a block on new power plants and other sources of carbon dioxide/other gases that contribute to global warming!
Instead of blaming the Pres.,bark at the Conservation groups! "
cm wrote on May 16, 2008 8:01 PM:
I am surprised they leave their houses, let alone get involved in their town or community.
To them they feel they are aiding by spewing "fear this", FEAR what we ASK where is your solid proof/facts, SHOW ME!!!
Fear corporations-yet they themselves spend their dollars into these corporations.
Fear EVERY war-yet they enjoy the freedoms (speech)
Fear government-yet their candidate is better than ours.
I wonder when is the last time they helped a neighbor clean a yard, or volunteered at a school to read to a child?
I more wonder if they seriously do their homework on whom they vote for, or even if they do vote?
the odds are "its a duck"!
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longboard315 wrote on May 16, 2008 7:11 PM:
longboard315 wrote on May 16, 2008 7:08 PM:
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 6:36 PM:
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karl wrote on May 16, 2008 6:18 PM:
AND IT'S ALREADY LOST! "
karl wrote on May 16, 2008 6:17 PM:
Anyhoo--you guys CRACK ME UP with your F-E-A-R of "Socialism" and your paranoia about it, honestly. Like as if it's a REAL threat! LOL!
What a bunch of marooons! LOL!
BTW, yes, 9/11 WAS an inside job. It was a lie, and the greatest American crime ever perpetrated by the US government against it's own people.
IT IS TIME FOR A NEW NUREMBURG!!!!! "
karl wrote on May 16, 2008 6:14 PM:
SOCIALISM = FREE PEANUT BUTTER!
SOCIALISM IS GOOD BECAUSE THERE ARE NO TV COMMERCIALS!
SOCIALISM ROCKS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO DRUGGED-UP POP STARS!
SOCIALISM MAKES THE BEST ICONIC STATUES AND DICTATOR FLAGS!
SOCIALISM IS SUPERIOR BECAUSE COW, PIGS, AND RABBITS ARE SOCIAL ANIMALS TOO!
SOCIALISM IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW BECAUSE CHENEY AND BUSH AND CHRIS AND THE QUEEN WOULD LEAVE THE COUNTRY IF IT WERE SOCIAL!
SOCIALISM IS GOOD BECAUSE ICE CREAMS HAVE "SOCIALS!"
SOCIAL-- "
chris van note wrote on May 16, 2008 4:25 PM:
theking wrote on May 16, 2008 4:18 PM:
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 3:43 PM:
And a cigar is only a cigar, unless your buddy Bill Clinton is handling it, right? "
theking wrote on May 16, 2008 3:30 PM:
chris van note wrote on May 16, 2008 3:15 PM:
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
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nature lover wrote on May 16, 2008 2:55 PM:
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 2:50 PM:
They are so myopic, misinformed, and rarely make any sense that it truly boggles my mind. Really, what can you say about people who still believe that the Iraq war is justifiable, besides that they are delusional, in view of all the evidence?
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AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 2:37 PM:
There are numerous engineers and architects who have roundly criticized the NIST and FEMA reports as being nothing more than a coverup, and the history channel and Popular Mechanics pieces have been thoroughly debunked. Ask yourself why Popular Mechanics REFUSES to debate the issue. Not sure of the exact name of the publication, but Fire Safety and Engineering called the NIST report a "half-baked farce" and an insult.
The 9/11 truth movement does not claim to have all the answers, and there are kooks and disinformation agents within the movement. But they are outweighed by mostly very highly thoughtful and intelligent experts and amateurs alike who do not believe the official conspiracy theory because it is so obvious that it is a load of nonsense, and demonstrably so. All you need to do is open your eyes, understand some basic physics, and have a deeper understanding of the history of our government and false flag operations (lookup gulf of tonkin, and operation northwoods(planned but not implemented) for just a couple of examples).
Although I am not an expert in engineering, I did study it and have a good understanding of how buildings are designed and put together. Based on my understanding, I'll side with Richard Gage at ae911truth.org . Watch his videos with an open mind, and you'll understand why more than 9 out of 10 engineers and architects that come to his presentations end up signing on.
AS for the pentagon, read what Barbara Honneger [sp?] has to say about the matter, especially the testimony from April Gallop. She has done extensive research. She used to work under the Reagan administration, and hardly what you would call a liberal. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 16, 2008 2:18 PM:
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 2:03 PM:
chris van note wrote on May 16, 2008 2:02 PM:
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 1:58 PM:
Osama is still not listed as wanted for 9/11 even by the FBI, cause they do not have the proof. "
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 1:56 PM:
As for the others, all they offer is regurgitated crap without question or context - hardly worth reading if you want to actually learn anything.
If you're seeing Elvis arriving on a saucer and having coversations with him, what can I say. I've always known you are delusional, so I guess I'm not surprised.
Now that you've fgured out who Tim Osman is, maybe u can tell us why we haven't found him yet? "
movedsouth wrote on May 16, 2008 1:51 PM:
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 1:42 PM:
Just as you have your right to freedom of religion, I have an equal right to freedom from religion - a concept you don't seem to understand, and which is the reason for separation of church and state.
Please stop listening to that gasbag O'Lielly. "
GiveMeLiberty wrote on May 16, 2008 1:39 PM:
If you want to make assertions, please back them up with facts.
Is your aim to convince people that you are right, or is it your aim merely to insult those who disagree with you?
You are already starting from a position of disadvantage in that you are attempting to convince an audience that your theory is plausible, and it is a far-fetched theory.
You have to make a logical case if you hope to convince anyone.
PS. I watched "Loose Change" too and I found it ridiculous. Every point they offered seemed to me to have a totally plausible and non-conspiracy explanation. "
jmw53 wrote on May 16, 2008 1:30 PM:
theking wrote on May 16, 2008 1:16 PM:
chris van note wrote on May 16, 2008 1:16 PM:
Guess what AJ, I saw Elvis on the golf course last week standing next to the flying saucer he landed in and we talked about how the moon landing was faked.
For my news sources, I tend to use Centcom, Fox, CNN, Yahoo, etc...not
Bob's House O'Conspiricy Theories.
As far as 9/11 goes, I read the NIST's (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report done by actual, legitimate, degreed professional engineers. Popular Mechanics did an excellent piece on why the building fell as well.
There are a lot of things Bush has done that I don't like, but his description of the far-left both here and in Europe was spot on.
And again AJ and/or Karl: Explain to us why you think socialism is better than the system we have in the US. This is the third time I've asked, maybe it will be the charm. "
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 1:15 PM:
Check it out for yourself - he is not wanted in connection with 9/11. "
movedsouth wrote on May 16, 2008 1:02 PM:
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 12:41 PM:
Osama is still not listed as wanted even by the FBI, cause they do not have the proof.
You are so ignorant, stupid, and gullible you do not have the sense to know when your so called leaders are lying to you. "
cm wrote on May 16, 2008 12:13 PM:
they are SURE in an explosion of a plane coming thru a building will NOT turn it to dust. I beg to differ!!!!
I am very fancinated over how anyone unless they called or was called at an extact time can recall every sound around them?
and so sure-like the sound came from the basement and I was on the 3rd floor???
on a normal
day,birds,vehicles,construction,TV/musicetc I CAN HEAR the band playing (they are outside,I am inside) they are 4 MILES AWAY!
they are simply "wannabees"
wannabe on Tv/write a book/be in the news!!! "
quiveringthigh wrote on May 16, 2008 11:44 AM:
" I believe VEGAS demolishes a casino very year..HOW about it-9/11 doubters??
Doesn't Vegas close the casino down before imploding it?? It is usually a broadcasted event. Parties in the street and all kinds of people. "
vinmeister1 wrote on May 16, 2008 11:44 AM:
cm wrote on May 16, 2008 11:35 AM:
Over the years we have let our morals/values slide. We replaced material must haves over time with our children. We replaced family dinner time with fast-food. We have let the small few take away our religious freedoms.
We used to be fairly universal. Your word was your word and a handshake meant it bonded. Life now is more cut-throat and backstabbing. You can only trust a handful.
Crime and violence have consumed the later baby boomers instead of help thy neighbor. The laws for these offenses are either so far left or so far right, state to state laws/amendments differ so radically. TOO many "activists"
Discipline for children is almost non-existent. Parents don't let kids take responsibility for their actions.
Parents don't take responsibility for their kids-financially or emotionally. They pawn them off to a sitter/school/social programs/TV or video game.
Then of course MONEY, which is basically the cause of most fallouts in every aspect of our lives.
APPRECIATION seems to be a key factor too. We take for granted what we do have. Something everyday seems "greener" somewhere else. So we think until we actually live it!
Yes our country, and WE have faults but I still would NOT want to live in any other country!
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AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 11:03 AM:
By the way CVN, you never answered my question as to where Tim Osman is.
I know you prefer to get your opinion from the likes of the Ammerican Spectator, (with curious ties to Blackwater), and the weekly standard, (another one of Murdoch's rags). You don't have a leg to stand on criticizing my choices for news and opinion. When you decide to start reading anything that at least attempts factual accuracy, then maybe you can talk.
CM, maybe we no longer need to have engineers spend countless hours preparing charges to demolish a building. Just ram an airliner into them and save a lot of time and trouble. Well, except for one thing - it wouldn't work as desired. "
theking wrote on May 16, 2008 10:52 AM:
cm wrote on May 16, 2008 9:39 AM:
Most cults are quacks but atleast they uphold to the end their beliefs!
Liberals "critique, yell "I'm Gonna, then HIDE!
aka=similar to OSAMA "
cm wrote on May 16, 2008 9:32 AM:
1. maintained a 76 grade average(4yr college)
cm=Education values? NOT!
2. criticism of American foreign policy, Vietnam War
YET enlisted/choose a swift boat(he thought)"had very little to do with the war"
cm=look good in JFK eyes, yet coward trying to hide!
3. has not authorized full public access to those records
cm=fact that almost none of the swift boat veterans actually served with Kerry in Vietnam, or even met him.
4. He was "ordered" to against Geneva Conventions
cm=war criminal
5. voting against global warming in other countries
6. 12-14-01: on Larry King he states "it is absolutely vital that we continue against,Saddam Hussein"
7. 10-9-02: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
8. 1-23-03: He states "the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real"
cm=afterwards he joins the "duped crowd" as if someone with a law degree CAN BE SCAMMED, aren't lawyers the "scammers"?
9. As of 2007 he serves on: Committee of Finance,Energy, Natural Resources, and Infrastructure, Health Care ,Social Security,Narcotics Affairs
cm=How are they all "working for today's Americans"
10. 5/07 Bill 181=more money for war--He didn't SHOW UP to vote!
11. 3/07 hr1591; VOTED YES for 122 billion (war with benny's:) it provides funds to assist Liberia, Jordan and Lebanon.
12. 2006: voted YES for the Pres. to withdrawn troops, voted NO to set a withdrawal date.
13. 2006: he's for gay marriages but doesn't show up for the vote on it!
cm=Catholic ideals? same on his stance of abortion!
14. voted yes for the Patriot Act modification
15. 2005 He was No SHOW on vote 40 billion cut for welfare and
NO SHOW to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil.
Kerry was/is a total "flip-flopper" "
chris van note wrote on May 16, 2008 9:05 AM:
I asked if Karl or AJ could give an answer as to why they think socialism is a superior form of government that what we have now. Of course we got the typical liberal nonsense of name calling, Bush is evil, etc...but no substance because they have none.
I thought this was a great line from Pres. Bush while speaking to the Israeli
Knesset (directed towards people like Karl, AJ and their ilk):
“Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along,” the President said to the country’s legislative body, “We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”
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longboard315 wrote on May 16, 2008 5:14 AM:
AJ wrote on May 16, 2008 4:47 AM:
Pentagon Propagandist General Calls for US to Sponsor Terrorism Against Iran:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/15/pentagon-propagandist-general-calls-for-us-to-sponsor-terrorism-against-iran/
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AJ wrote on May 15, 2008 11:01 PM:
http://airamerica.com/clout/
Audio streams of May 16 debate:
http://airamerica.com/content/clout-week-truth-31
http://airamerica.com/content/clout-week-truth-32
http://airamerica.com/content/clout-week-truth-33
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AJ wrote on May 15, 2008 9:24 PM:
History and the “United States of Amnesia”
A Democracy Now Interview With Gore Vidal
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19930.htm "
AJ wrote on May 15, 2008 9:15 PM:
SOCIALISM = WELFARE FOR THE RICH
So yes, in that sense, we do have a socialist country, so you're half right CVN "
chris van note wrote on May 15, 2008 8:43 PM:
karl wrote on May 15, 2008 7:37 PM:
What's Ann up to tonight, buddy?
Locked ya out of the discipline chamber? "
chris van note wrote on May 15, 2008 5:52 PM:
SOCIALISM = NOT WHAT CONSERVATIVES TRY TO PAINT IT AS!
Of course Karl and AJ don't answer questions, they deflect. Karl you stated that socialism works, so why don't you move to a "socialist paradise" such as North Korea and let us know how you make out.
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vic wrote on May 15, 2008 5:32 PM:
karl wrote on May 15, 2008 5:29 PM:
Did anybody just see Chris Matthews on "Hardball" TOTALLY embarrass the loud mouthed Conservative talk show host who was spouting all this ridiculous nonsense about Barack being an "appeaser"?
He COMPLETELY showed that the guy didn't have a CLUE about what he was talking about!
It reminded me of some of the Bushies on this site! "
karl wrote on May 15, 2008 3:58 PM:
Honestly.
Please entertain me with your acumen on this one, honey?
Wait--let me get my Pepto Bismol first.........Ok I'm ready........go. "
karl wrote on May 15, 2008 3:56 PM:
Sigh...yawn.......
I don't want to move because someone needs to be here to educate you Conservative fools who THOUGHT you were "right" about Bush and the war, etc, ad nauseum the LAST election cycle--andf look at the bottomless toilet you put the country into.
It's our job to make sure that the wisdom of the Liberal voice is listened to this time around, Chris--starting with YOU!
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AJ wrote on May 15, 2008 3:56 PM:
You're pathetically misinformed.
http://www.tvnewslies.org/tvnl/
Yeah, thekingofcrap, the Canadians are just beating our doors down for health care. You were joking, right? Couldn't have written a better piece if I were the CEO of an HMO.
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AJ wrote on May 15, 2008 3:43 PM:
Bush better than Kerry? What have you been smoking?
Longboard, thanks for the link, but I saw that movie over a year ago. Recommended.
Regarding "conspiracy thinkers", please tell me what you think the "official" story is, if not a "conspiracy" in and of itself, cm? I guess we can't expect a box of rocks to understand the meaning of such a word, let alone someone who has even less sense.
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nature lover wrote on May 15, 2008 3:08 PM:
cm wrote on May 15, 2008 11:33 AM:
Prior to; they can write me a letter of apology should they die.
Should they live-I will apologize!!!
DEAL: AJ/Karl/longboard315 ????? "
chris van note wrote on May 15, 2008 10:36 AM:
excnyer wrote on May 15, 2008 10:30 AM:
theking wrote on May 15, 2008 10:19 AM:
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cm wrote on May 15, 2008 9:25 AM:
cm wrote on May 15, 2008 9:24 AM:
chris van note wrote on May 15, 2008 9:05 AM:
(From the Charlotte Observer)
At the first Earth Day celebration, in 1969, environmentalist Nigel Calder warned, "The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind." C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said, "The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed."
In 1968, Paul Ehrlich, Vice President Gore's hero and mentor, predicted there would be a major food shortage in the U.S. and "in the 1970s ... hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death." Ehrlich said 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980 and 1989, and by 1999 the U.S. population would have declined to 22.6 million. Ehrlich's predictions about England were gloomier: "If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000."
World `likely to be ruined' by 2000
In 1972, a report was written for the Club of Rome warning the world would run out of gold by 1981, mercury and silver by 1985, tin by 1987 and petroleum, copper, lead and natural gas by 1992. Gordon Taylor, in his 1970 work "The Doomsday Book," said Americans were using 50 percent of the world's resources and "by 2000 they [Americans] will, if permitted, be using all of them." In 1975, the Environmental Fund took out full-page ads warning, "The World as we know it will likely be ruined by the year 2000."Harvard University biologist George Wald in 1970 warned, "... civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind." That was the same year that Sen. Gaylord Nelson warned, in Look Magazine, that by 1995 "... somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct."
It's not just latter-day doomsayers who have been wrong; doomsayers have always been wrong. In 1885, the U.S. Geological Survey announced there was "little or no chance" of oil being discovered in California, and a few years later they said the same about Kansas and Texas. In 1939, the U.S. Department of the Interior said American oil supplies would last only another 13 years. In 1949, the Secretary of the Interior said the end of U.S. oil supplies was in sight. Having learned nothing from its earlier erroneous claims, in 1974 the U.S. Geological Survey advised us that the U.S. had only a 10-year supply of natural gas. According to the American Gas Association, there's a 1,000 to 2,500 year supply.
Here are my questions: In 1970, when environmentalists were making predictions of manmade global cooling and the threat of an ice age and millions of Americans starving to death, what kind of government policy should we have undertaken to prevent such a calamity?
When Ehrlich predicted that England would not exist in the year 2000, what steps should the British Parliament have taken in 1970 to prevent such a dire outcome?
In 1939, when the U.S. Department of the Interior warned that we only had oil supplies for another 13 years, what actions should President Roosevelt have taken?
Chicken Little anyone?
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cm wrote on May 15, 2008 7:55 AM:
Youtube.com
immigration gumballs "
cm wrote on May 15, 2008 7:16 AM:
longboard315 wrote on May 15, 2008 6:47 AM:
karl wrote on May 15, 2008 12:35 AM:
You mean "HippiE"?
KING = IDIOT FER SHUR! "
AJ wrote on May 14, 2008 11:46 PM:
Just another groundless pinko commie liberal position. "
cm wrote on May 14, 2008 9:37 PM:
Just when I conserved/saved $30 on the water bill, he forces me to aid the economy by spending $70 at Red Lobster-
Why did he make the day you were born a birthday?
Plus because China owns us-we cant say No to their imports, so those sandals he made me buy gave me a blister!
I hope Bush makes life easier tomorrow!
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dd wrote on May 14, 2008 7:20 PM:
AJ wrote on May 14, 2008 6:22 PM:
AJ wrote on May 14, 2008 6:21 PM:
Nothing new here.
Please, start thinkin for yourself and do a bit of research. "
dd wrote on May 14, 2008 5:41 PM:
dd wrote on May 14, 2008 5:41 PM:
cm wrote on May 14, 2008 5:22 PM:
I dont like the high costs of gas/fuel but who am I to tell a company that it CANNOT make a profit and keep people employed? Or they can only make XXXamount of dollars because I said so? Isnt that a communistic way of thinking? "
AJ wrote on May 14, 2008 5:05 PM:
" CONSERVATISM = NEW AMERICAN NAZISM
BUSH = WAR CRIMINAL
GLOBAL WARMING = HAPPENING NOW!
JOHN MCCAIN = STILL TRAPPED IN VIET NAM!
SOCIALISM = GOOD FOR MEDICAL COVERAGE
SOCIALISM = NOT WHAT CONSERVATIVES TRY TO PAINT IT AS!
REPUBLICANS = BAAAAAAD FOR AMERICA
BARACK OBAMA = MR PRESIDENT!
THE KING = IDIOT!!!! " "
karl wrote on May 14, 2008 4:48 PM:
BUSH = WAR CRIMINAL
GLOBAL WARMING = HAPPENING NOW!
JOHN MCCAIN = STILL TRAPPED IN VIET NAM!
SOCIALISM = GOOD FOR MEDICAL COVERAGE
SOCIALISM = NOT WHAT CONSERVATIVES TRY TO PAINT IT AS!
REPUBLICANS = BAAAAAAD FOR AMERICA
BARACK OBAMA = MR PRESIDENT!
THE KING = IDIOT!!!! "
AJ wrote on May 14, 2008 4:46 PM:
AJ wrote on May 14, 2008 4:44 PM:
" FG, I don't see any candidates offering good solutions, and even if they did, there's no guarantee Congress will pass it!
AJ/Karl who want Obama to win, cant see pass their noses, that even WHEN troops are out of Iraq, they will head to Afghanistan, this Middle East issue will go on for 100 yrs no matter who is in office! WAR and costs will continue!
Frankly, I think Obama is a tool or he would never have gotten this far. And if he is serious and not just spouting rhetoric to get elected (which I think he is) then maybe this country has a chacne. But I am highly skeptical.
The good candidates were pushed out and marginalized by the "liberal" media, and that should tell you something. But the dittoheads are too blind to see it.
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theking wrote on May 14, 2008 4:31 PM:
AJ wrote on May 14, 2008 4:27 PM:
But since it is mostly oil company profiteering, I have a major problem with that.
It's time we stopped this madness of privatizing the profits and socializing the costs, to benefit a few oligarchs. "
AJ wrote on May 14, 2008 3:59 PM:
do some GD research will you?
Anwr is crap. "
theking wrote on May 14, 2008 3:28 PM:
cm wrote on May 14, 2008 3:22 PM:
No land mass seems to be safe. Makes some count their blessings and appreciate those we love, for tomorrow it could be your area or mine! "
rcfessenden wrote on May 14, 2008 3:18 PM:
AJ wrote on May 14, 2008 3:02 PM:
the kind, you may just be the biggest imbecile of them all (except you nailed the part about McCain of selling out, but he's a scum anyhow) "
vic wrote on May 14, 2008 2:53 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on May 14, 2008 2:37 PM:
We're supposed to believe any politician of any party who ever wants to be elected again would say such a thing?!?? Please. "
cm wrote on May 14, 2008 2:15 PM:
So far: what was he thinking when he didnt replace the lid to the berry sauce bowl, forcing my daughter to dump it all over the inside of the frig?
Why did he get the clothes dirty and force me to use water to clean them?
Why did he not let it rain causing the poor cabbage to wilt???
WHY? WHY? WHY?
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chris van note wrote on May 14, 2008 2:02 PM:
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Farmer's Gal wrote on May 14, 2008 1:58 PM:
I like the idea of small individual windmills; I don't like the health and environmental issues associated with industrial wind turbine farms.
Congress is totally in the back pockets of corporate and other special interests -- it is even more important to get the right people elected (and the wrong people out!) of Congress than the Presidency. "
theking wrote on May 14, 2008 1:14 PM:
GLOBAL WARMING = HOAX
NO ANWR DRILLING = FOREIGN CONTROL
DEMOCRATS = SOCIALIST MOVEMENT
GREEN ENERGY = HIGH TAXES
JOHN MCCAIN = SELL OUT FOR VOTES
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cm wrote on May 14, 2008 1:04 PM:
AJ/Karl who want Obama to win, cant see pass their noses, that even WHEN troops are out of Iraq, they will head to Afghanistan, this Middle East issue will go on for 100 yrs no matter who is in office! WAR and costs will continue!
We will ALWAYS complain of wasted government spending-there will ALWAYS be some environmentalists who want to save the snail darter fish in TN wasting tax dollars suing because the fish is more important than the much needed dam, and we will ALWAYS disagree on what "pork's" are important.
FG, you want better energy but dislike the windmill ideals (Obama likes them)
I don't want a nuke plant in my backyard, Alaska doesn't want their "nature" destroyed by drilling. I am wondering after putting all these holes into our earth, how much can the earth stand?
So who wins??
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