As apparent from today's Citizen's, they want to adopt a code enforcement for a noise ordinance in the town of Owasco because they don't like to hear windchimes. These people should move to a cemetery.
I'd like to know why there's so many rerun movies on the television lately. It seems like this is a little ridiculous, we need some new shows on.
We can't the funding for the new firehouse, but we're going to have a new theater and hotel downtown. Maybe those buildings could multitask as a firehouse and a theater and a motel.
What has happened to the people who live in Cayuga County that they can't have windchimes in their yard. I do not understand people thinking they can absolutely run their neighbor's property.
Auburn Fire Department does not need 15 men on duty per shift. Have 12 on duty and three on call, and quit wasting our money -- this isn't NYC.
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Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 23, 2009 10:14 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 23, 2009 10:12 AM:
I would also contend that those who do believe in God cannot KNOW it either -- they take it on faith and that is their choice, their right and their business.
And saying that you can't know it is NOT saying you therefore have to apply the opposite and live your life embracing and believing in it. I take the position that you don't think this could be so, you don't believe it is so, but there is always a tiny corner of doubt allowed because you cannot know it -- Flying Spaghetti Monster included (maybe it you had raised a couple toddlers, you might believe in Flying Spaghetti, flung by little Monsters!) "
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 23, 2009 9:49 AM:
But then, seriously; I couldn't prove that a Flying Spaghetti Monster exists either, but that doesn't mean that I'll live my life believing in, and being ready to die for, the "faith" that it exists, just because some group or book alleges that it does.
Is it "logical" therefore, to believe in a god which has NEVER been proven to exist?
HARDLY so. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 23, 2009 7:29 AM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 22, 2009 10:05 PM:
What about my posts gets so under your skin that you are so fiercely jealous, intimidated, and acerbic that your envy practically DRIPS from your posts?
I don't believe that you are an agnostic at all. NO sir. I do believe that you're most likely another hypocritical Christian who would use deceit 'in the service of Christ" i order to try to discredit me.
If you are one of those couch-potato agnostics, then why dontcha do your research so that you can make the inevitable jump to Atheism and at least be able to put some knowledge and perspective behind your posts instead of just being a forum troll?
Knowledge is power, Gump. "
scouty wrote on Apr 22, 2009 9:29 PM:
An athiest will argue about the existance faith in anything beyond their shallow existance. An agnostic will not argue about anything because they just do not care about discussing the subject with a fanatic who desperatly feels the need to drive their point home, like trying to convert others to their own feelings and beliefs. run for the school board where a man of your intelligence might do some good. "
scouty wrote on Apr 22, 2009 9:21 PM:
to your self
ps i spelled it wrong on purpose
party on garth! "
scouty wrote on Apr 22, 2009 9:10 PM:
Party on Garth! "
theking wrote on Apr 22, 2009 9:04 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 22, 2009 8:00 PM:
IT DOES NOT MATTER if we received any usable information through Torture.
IT DOES NOT MATTER! WE HAVE LOST OUR MORAL STANDING AND BECOME AS OUR ENEMIES!!!
We are now no better than the Nazi's.
We are now no better than the KGB.
We are now no better than the ChiComs--the Chinese Communists.
We are now no better than the Viet Cong.
We are now no better than the Khmer Rouge.
We are now no better than the Taliban.
We are now no better than the Huutuu's in Sudan.
WE ARE NO BETTER THAN THESE SCUMS, THESE TORTURERS!
In the Nuremburg Trials, we prosecuted the Nazi's who said they were "just following orders".
AN AMERICAN SOLDIER HAS A PATRIOTIC AND LAWFUL DUTY TO REFUSE TO OBEY AN ORDER WHICH IS ILLEGAL!!!!
We have War Criminals in this country, and they NEED to be prosecuted!!
There is NO ROOM FOR DEBATE ON THIS!!
NONE!!!!!!!! "
wassup wrote on Apr 22, 2009 6:27 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 22, 2009 10:28 AM:
Arch-Villain Dick Cheney has been out there trying to justify using torture on suspected Al Queda suspects, as if there is ANY reason why America should torture.
He may swing from a rope yet.
The wheels of justice do turn ever so slowly, but there are DEFINITELY turning now. And ol' DICK is right in their path!!!
Please continue writing those letters to the Justice Department and urging them to prosecute the Torturers--ALL THE WAY UP TO THE WHITE HOUSE!!!! "
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 21, 2009 9:42 PM:
Have you been paying attention to the level of Religion in public policy? Wasting our tax dollars? YOUR tax dollars, Mr "DROP-THE-INCOME-TAX!"?
THAT'S why I speak up! "
daydreamer wrote on Apr 21, 2009 8:48 PM:
daviddelker wrote on Apr 21, 2009 8:40 PM:
usdwht wrote on Apr 21, 2009 7:51 PM:
I believe in fairness and balance unlike the Faux network."
If that's the case, STOP WATCHING IT! "
The Bone wrote on Apr 21, 2009 7:15 PM:
Agnosticism can be subdivided into several subcategories. Recently suggested variations include:
Strong agnosticism (also called "hard," "closed," "strict," or "absolute agnosticism")
—the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."
Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
—the view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day when there is more evidence we can find something out."
Apathetic agnosticism (also called Pragmatic agnosticism)
—the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.[citation needed]
Agnostic atheism
—the view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, and do not believe in any.[8]
Agnostic theism (also called "religious" or "spiritual agnosticism")
—the view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence. Søren Kierkegaard believed that knowledge of any deity is impossible, and because of that people who want to be theists must believe: "If I am capable of grasping God objectively, I do not believe, but precisely because I cannot do this I must believe." (See Knowledge vs. Beliefs.)
Ignosticism
—the view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 21, 2009 5:36 PM:
Since, on the one hand, it is not possible to prove a negative, and on the other hand, those of faith will admit that you cannot prove the existence of God either (i.e. you have to take it on faith), then an uncertain position, to me, is the most tenable. You can't prove there isn't a God, and you can't prove there is a God, so it is entirely reasonable to take the position that you just aren't sure. Perhaps you lean more one way or the other, but still have room to concede being wrong if so proven some day.
It's like any other form of black/white: Democrat/Republican, Left/Right, Liberal/Conservation, Right/Wrong -- the world is almost never so simple and mostly we live in shades of gray uncertainty.
For me, religion is not even a category, so I refrain from giving myself a label -- or an anti-label for that matter. If asked, I will concede that I do not have a faith nor do I believe in God, but "agnostic" or "atheist" -- the whole question of religion is just not on my profile. "
anonymous wrote on Apr 21, 2009 5:15 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 21, 2009 2:47 PM:
You don't have to "prove" the in-existence of something in order to deny it. If I say "Well I don't really KNOW if magical unicorns exist", that's not being intellectually honest. First you have to prove the existence of something before you can even deny its "being",
The same with "God" in my view. Since it has never been proven to me, I can't consider it as a serious proposition that must be sen as worthy of consideration and respect, for the proposition is just as valid as that of tooth faeries or unicorns, to be honest.
In fact, if you really think about it, given the fantastical claims made about "God", the existence of unicorns to me seems actually MORE plausible. But I'm not going to speak about them as though hey DO exist, or MIGHT, because they are only a fictional proposition like any other until proven---like the tooth faery, unicorns, leprechauns, or dragons.
That's my point about Agnosticism. DO you get it? "
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 21, 2009 2:40 PM:
At least she has some original thoughts, and is not just cutting-and-pasting in the latest Republiscum talking points from the latest Hannity/Beck/Limrbaugh memo that was sent out.
Truly, what Brew said was correct--MR never had an original thought in his columns that I could ever ascertain. "
brew1234 wrote on Apr 21, 2009 1:51 PM:
brew1234 wrote on Apr 21, 2009 1:46 PM:
brew1234 wrote on Apr 21, 2009 1:42 PM:
I also disagree with the idea of finding the owner of a pet that I have accidently hit with my car. I would stop and check the animals condition and call the police but I would not go door to door looking for the owner. If anyone was outside I would enquire if they know the owner but I am not risking my life to find a negligent pet owner. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 21, 2009 1:33 PM:
The Bone wrote on Apr 21, 2009 12:30 PM:
Farmer's Gal I give you credit for being a Stewart of the Earth you really care. "
bassistlearningdrums wrote on Apr 21, 2009 12:27 PM:
" Hey Sobus. No real bands in Auburn anymore. All the good music venues are getting closed down by "THE FUNDATION" "
Who are you??? Until you establish who you are, I would prefer you address me by my screen name. "
anonymous wrote on Apr 21, 2009 12:02 PM:
chris van note wrote on Apr 21, 2009 11:58 AM:
" Hey, did you guys notice that apparently the Citizen has gotten rid of that idiot Mike Reagan's column?!
All together now..."HALLELUJUH!!!"
THANKS, CITIZEN EDITORS!!!! "
Yep, lets get rid of the people we don't agree with. Liberals, like Karl and Brew, will fight to the death for your right to agree with them. First Amendment is great, as long as you tow the liberal line (see the so-called "Fairness Doctrine").
I say we get rid of that hack Amy Goodman. She's a pro-palistinian, self-loathing American Jew who favors socialism and only criticizes violence, racism and homophobia when it is committed by the US or Israel. I don't agree with what she stands for so (using liberal logic) she must go as well. "
bassistlearningdrums wrote on Apr 21, 2009 9:50 AM:
anonymous wrote on Apr 21, 2009 9:47 AM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 21, 2009 8:24 AM:
scouty wrote on Apr 21, 2009 7:47 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 21, 2009 7:46 AM:
A couple years ago, near Rochester, a 20-year-old college student was hit by a tractor trailer, then run over again by two more cars. None of them stopped to see what they'd hit. All three of them later pulled over to check their vehicles for damage, but not one stopped to see they'd killed someone. One of them later called in to reporting hitting a deer -- but hadn't actually gone back to see if that was in fact what had been hit (it wasn't).
"When an operator of a motor vehicle on the highway in the state of New York strikes an object they have an obligation ... to determine what that object was before leaving the scene, not after,” [Livingston County Sheriff Jack] York said.
Anonymous -- are you sure it was a dog you hit? "
daydreamer wrote on Apr 21, 2009 7:25 AM:
anonymous wrote on Apr 20, 2009 11:51 PM:
Of course, he is not exactly a gal of his word. "
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 20, 2009 7:38 PM:
Don't get me wrong--I'm a great admirer and practician of the sharp barb, but to get THAT bitter read of my comment about dogs and heaven to "moonies' is just inexplicable. I'm honestly completely flummoxed as to how hat comment raised your ire, bit apparently it did, lol!
Debate me on Religion any day. You'll lose.
How about something at least HALFWAY intelligent as a retort? "
scouty wrote on Apr 20, 2009 6:18 PM:
scouty wrote on Apr 20, 2009 6:13 PM:
We called them Jesus freaks. Talk about something that your good at, like music or comic books or your pets. "
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 20, 2009 1:49 PM:
"Anonymoose" will be forever cast into the role of a dog trying to cross the Daytona 500 racetrack. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 20, 2009 12:15 PM:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/pharmawater_factories
Read this and you can see right away that compliance with Federal laws and regulations does not even come close to being the same things as "Safe to drink."
As I have said before, regulations just regulate the RATE at which corporations are allowed to pollute and destroy not only our environment, but OUR health as well. Regulations just prevent informed citizens from being able to DO anything about it. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 20, 2009 9:51 AM:
Well, that and the over-amped bands playing recently at the HO-tel. It's such a small room they don't really need amplification at all, but they certainly don't need it so loud it is pounding the walls all the way down the block -- and the people IN the room can't possibly make out a tune at all when it is that loud.
I have one small windchime on the front of the house and have had no complaints. I will sometimes bring them in if we have a windstorm, because then they clang and bang instead of the usual gentle chime -- that always bothered my ex, and I learned to have consideration in those conditions. But my closest neighbor to the chimes is hard of hearing and has no windows close to my chimes, so I suspect it's no problem in any event. "
Gregg wrote on Apr 20, 2009 9:21 AM:
bassistlearningdrums wrote on Apr 20, 2009 9:19 AM:
PublicEyes wrote on Apr 20, 2009 8:13 AM:
horseradish wrote on Apr 20, 2009 7:46 AM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 20, 2009 7:22 AM:
Oa wrote on Apr 20, 2009 4:35 AM:
The Bone wrote on Apr 19, 2009 5:02 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 19, 2009 2:04 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 19, 2009 12:59 PM:
Any "heaven" withOUT dogs is no place I'd want to be!
It's probably full of cats anyway...booooo. "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 19, 2009 10:46 AM:
There are 4 houses on my block -- and actually having neighbors within a few yards is something I haven't had to have for years. Luckily, I have much older ladies living alone on either side of me -- and we all like it quiet and peaceful.
If there is less news, maybe it means less crime and troubles going on. That's fine with me. I'm glad lots of people living in NYC and other such urban areas -- because it means they aren't crowding me here in the countryside. I know we lack for cultural opportunities, and since the advent of industrialized agriculture, it is no more healthy to live in the country sucking in toxic fumes from liquid manure and farm chemicals than to be constantly breathing exhaust and output from factories, but at least each person can have a little space, and isn't constantly surrounded by frantic, frenetic activity.
Cities drain the energy right out of me -- that constant noise and activity just wears me down. Goodbye, city life.... "
The Bone wrote on Apr 19, 2009 9:38 AM:
daydreamer wrote on Apr 19, 2009 7:52 AM:
The Bone wrote on Apr 18, 2009 8:16 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 18, 2009 7:40 PM:
Personally, I see this as Democracy in Action, warts, failings and all. It's also a place where natural community building just happens. "
The Bone wrote on Apr 18, 2009 5:31 PM:
brew1234 wrote on Apr 18, 2009 4:22 PM:
" If Mikie RayGun is really gone all I can say is thank you Citizen. His comments have been so irrevelent and inane that even his diehard opponents have not bothered to comment to his garbage rantings. I thank all opinion readers for not bothering to acknowledge his presence when he was being posted. " "
brew1234 wrote on Apr 18, 2009 4:17 PM:
brew1234 wrote on Apr 18, 2009 4:13 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 18, 2009 1:34 PM:
And, yes, there are more important things. There was a workshop on how to grieve your assessment last night -- particularly, if you want to grieve the assessment on the grounds of loss of property value from being situated too close to an animal factory. Some of the few people who came indicated that they had spoken with others who were afraid to come, and others still who thought it would be pointless, as they felt those who set the assessments were in the backpockets of corporate agribusiness and they wouldn't get anywhere.
Living out here in Good Ole Boy country, I can certainly understand how they feel. But there are still venues beyond the local where you might be able to get an actual fair hearing, and the workshop presented a lot of really useful tips.
But it was interesting and sad to see how many people feel so beaten down and powerless out here -- with good reason. "
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 18, 2009 12:43 PM:
All together now..."HALLELUJUH!!!"
THANKS, CITIZEN EDITORS!!!! "
CayCntyLifer wrote on Apr 18, 2009 10:50 AM:
daydreamer wrote on Apr 18, 2009 8:15 AM:
South end of the county wrote on Apr 18, 2009 7:25 AM:
CayCntyLifer wrote on Apr 17, 2009 9:23 PM:
perturbed wrote on Apr 17, 2009 4:58 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 17, 2009 4:31 PM:
091951 wrote on Apr 17, 2009 2:32 PM:
CayCntyLifer wrote on Apr 17, 2009 2:29 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 17, 2009 2:14 PM:
You know, Religion?--Those same people who thought that the Earth was flat? "
united we wish wrote on Apr 17, 2009 1:40 PM:
CayCntyLifer wrote on Apr 17, 2009 1:00 PM:
CayCntyLifer wrote on Apr 17, 2009 12:58 PM:
daydreamer wrote on Apr 17, 2009 8:30 AM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 17, 2009 8:20 AM:
I honestly don't see it as a "culture war" thing AT ALL. I see it as a firm re-embracing of the Constitution, and the ideal that gave us "religious liberty" in the first place. Please seriously consider this aspect.
The was that it's being "marketed" however, is inexcusable--the photo used, and the headline is deliberately inflammatory. Much ado about nothing, if you ask me. "
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 17, 2009 8:15 AM:
This is the kind of crime that should be prosecuted, to protect us from such sociopaths. "
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 17, 2009 8:14 AM:
PEOPLE, PLEASE READ THIS ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC PROPOSAL "ACCORDING TO PLAN" ON THE FRONT PAGE HERE, AND WRITE A LETTER TO SENATOR NOZZOLIO TELLING HIM HOW SINCERELY STUPID THIS IS!?!?!?! "
The Bone wrote on Apr 17, 2009 5:11 AM:
anonymous wrote on Apr 17, 2009 12:18 AM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 16, 2009 11:42 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 16, 2009 7:35 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 16, 2009 7:34 PM:
However, as a family, we have worn out both Labyrinth and Nightmare Before Christmas, and would have worn out The Lord of the Rings and Star Wars if we didn't have them in both VHS and DVD.
If I'm not careful, I'll wear out my DVDs of last 4 games and the Super Bowl last year: Giants: Road to XLII.
OH, and we've worn through VHS tapes of Brother Cadfael, Errol Flynn, The Thin Man and a few others.
So, for a very small investment, we hand-picked the movies we love, watch them over and over, and haven't had TV broadcast into the house since before I was married -- in fact, not since I was 16 years old. I have Netflix to see new things and STILL don't have TV. *I* get to pick what is shown in my house, not some scheduling jerk for a network or cable or satellite station.
Think how much you'd save and how much more suited to YOU your viewing would be if you just cut the plug and got rid of TV. Get weather and news on the internet and to heck with Time Warner and the rest of them. "
The Bone wrote on Apr 16, 2009 7:21 PM:
091951 wrote on Apr 16, 2009 6:51 PM:
091951 wrote on Apr 16, 2009 5:52 PM:
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 16, 2009 2:21 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 16, 2009 12:27 PM:
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 16, 2009 12:27 PM:
Holy crap!
CNN just had a piece on Auburn New York, and the cheese factory! They actually had footage of the town's mainstreet!
It was at least 4-5 minutes long!
WE'RE FAMOUS! lol!
Of course, they didn't say anything about the ridiculous provision for the religious indoctrination center.... "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 16, 2009 11:44 AM:
What famous, attractive and very talented actress, who just turned 50 yesterday, said this: "[She] is an outspoken anti-religious atheist: "I'm an atheist; I suppose you can call me a sort of libertarian anarchist. I regard religion with fear and suspicion. It's not enough to say that I don't believe in God. I actually regard the system as distressing: I am offended by some of the things said in the Bible and the Qur'an, and I refute them."
Ask me again later if you don't know the answer! "
karl the 2nd wrote on Apr 16, 2009 11:17 AM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nox2DRCAKxk
You won't regret it!! This is Susan Boyle, a woman who took the show and the world by storm. You look at her and you think "No way this woman can sing!?" and then you'll be blown away.
This video made me cry. What a great lesson about not judging someone for the way they look--it's a great wake-up call! "
Farmer's Gal wrote on Apr 16, 2009 11:01 AM:
hazeleyez wrote on Apr 16, 2009 10:49 AM: