Unfair distribution of wealth hurts economy

Wow! Talk about telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, there’s not one shred of truth in Jeff Wolford’s Sept. 6 letter. (Another liberal lost in translation.) Mr. Wolford would have us believe that God is not in favor of redistribution of the wealth. I’m sure that he’s in favor of 90 percent of the wealth controlled by one percent of this country’s population. Tell me, Mr. Wolford, how much money is enough for the well to do? Is it $1 million a year, $10 million, $70 million? How much wealth do the wealthy need to live a “comfortable lifestyle?” There can be little doubt that there’s never enough money to be made by those of wealth.

Is Donald Trump satisfied with the wealth he has? Are all the soon to be free agent millionaire pro sport athletes satisfied with the millions they’re presently earning? Are George Bush and Dick Cheney satisfied with the millions in wealth they already have? The list goes on and on and certainly there can be little argument that anyone of exorbitant wealth is never satisfied. You want to lessen their taxes, too? Am I to believe Mr. Wolford that God doesn’t have a problem with exorbitant greed?

As many times as I have written about “The Tree of Life” and how God wants the fruits from it to be shared equally by all of God’s children, those with conservative mindsets don’t seem to want to pay any attention to it.

Look, Jeff Wolford, what’s important to God quite obviously isn’t and never has been, part of any conservative’s agenda.

What does not sharing the wealth have to do with the present state of affairs? Well, for starters, there’s very little buying power and that most certainly affects the economy. The results of people having not much buying power hurts everyone eventually.

No good ever results when people pay no attention to God’s commands. Accumulating exorbitant wealth is in no way, shape or form part of God’s agenda.

Mr. Wolford goes on to say that I am out of touch with the beating heart of this beautiful country. It’s you, Mr. Wolford who’s out of touch.

Was taking out Hussein worth all those trillions spent on it, the magnanimous loss of lives of innocent Iraqis and Americans? The war was illegal and totally unjustified. Conservatives like yourself continuously refuse to accept responsibility. And you have the gall to still justify this illegal and immoral war.

Murray Lynch

Auburn

(23) comments

Dale245
Dale245

To claim to know the mind of God for political reasons is the wrong thing to do. This is another letter that dont contain Murrys Murryisms, repeating certain phases, double negatives, etc etc.

liberal karl
liberal karl

See, no matter what criticism you can level at Murray, he "GETS IT". He just KNOWS "what it means to be a Christian".

RESPECT FOR MURRAY LYNCH.

genegirl65
genegirl65

A trouble with redistribution of wealth is that those in power who espouse this idea have no intention of redistributing their OWN wealth. They are the same as those who tell us all to go green yet live in mansions and consume far more than anyone else. It is a case of "we are all equal, but some are more equal". Does God tell them they are special?

movedsouth
movedsouth

Sorry Murray, you don't get it. "Are George Bush and Dick Cheney satisfied with the millions in wealth they already have?" Why not ask about the Clinton's and the Obama's? Share equally?, are you saying that those that make the big bucks should give enough to have everyone have the same income? If so it's the dumbest idea ever. And responsibility, it's those who will not work and leech off the system that have no responsibility. They are not responsible for themselves. The wealthy already pay a higher tax rate, so they do give more, but for some, it won't be enough until everyone has the same income. Give it all away then the wealthy can sit on their a** like the lazy.

gonesouth
gonesouth

So who is to judge how much is to much? Who is to decide if I work 40 or 60 hours that I made to much for my work?

liberal karl
liberal karl

gonesouth said on: September 21, 2010, 10:55 am
"So who is to judge how much is to much? Who is to decide if I work 40 or 60 hours that I made to much for my work?"

If you charge typical lawyer's rates? ABSOLUTELY.

Most lawyers fees are outrageous and indefensible, from what I've seen.

liberal karl
liberal karl

[quote]movedsouth said: The wealthy already pay a higher tax rate, so they do give more, but for some, it won't be enough until everyone has the same income. Give it all away then the wealthy can sit on their a** like the lazy."[/quote]

movedsouth, when are you EVER going to get off that "lazy Arses" canard? You're so engaged to this myth that you might as well marry it and change your name already.

As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one's home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.7%.

You guys will never admit the truth as long as you keep focusing on petty individual examples.

gonesouth
gonesouth

[quote]liberal karl said: "gonesouth said on: September 21, 2010, 10:55 am"So who is to judge how much is to much? Who is to decide if I work 40 or 60 hours that I made to much for my work?"If you charge typical lawyer's rates? ABSOLUTELY.Most lawyers fees are outrageous and indefensible, from what I've seen. "[/quote]


Not every lawyer charges as much as you think, ever see how much a public defender makes? See there you go determining how much someone should make.

Basic fact of life is those who are looking up always say those above them make too much money. The most important fact people always forget is wealth is earned, its not given to you, unless mommy and daddy are rich and pass it on to you.

gonesouth
gonesouth

Karl the top what ever number you want to use EARNED their wealth. They pay taxes to fund the programs that help the needy, yet every time you turn around its they are not taxed enough or I do not make as much as they do and its not fair. I dont think people are lazy but they all to often get comfortable where they are and do not try for more. They then see some take advantage of the system and develope the its mine mentality.

What ever percentage you choose those below it will always say they make to much or do not pay enough. Its a basic fact of life.

movedsouth
movedsouth

You're right karl, a factory worker should make the same as those running large corporations. Get real! Tell me just what, specifically, you would expect the wealthy to pay in taxes. And that includes a couple making $250,000/yr. What do you expect from them?

liberal karl
liberal karl

gonesouth said on: September 21, 2010, 12:51 pm
"Karl the top what ever number you want to use EARNED their wealth"

ABSOLUTE POPPYCOCK.

The Rich make most of their money from business ownerships and investment in property-which they often sell high for huge profits. Lately, they've seemed to be making their huge CEO's by cutting jobs--oh, I mean "down-scaling for efficiency". Know what THAT means? Basically screwing the people below you who helped build your company an d make YOU profitable. Or are you going to tell me that one-man corporations are possible? You need salaried workers to grow your company--and I guess you can call me quaint and old-fashioned, but there something "moral" and I dare say even "patriotic" about helping your own country survive economically.

Capitalism only really "works" for national prosperity if there's a moral basis to it. And we have now seen what happens when there's none. A country of the super-Rich and the growing Poor. Wonderful, huh?

liberal karl
liberal karl

[quote]gonesouth said: "Not every lawyer charges as much as you think, ever see how much a public defender makes? See there you go determining how much someone should make. [/quote]Call me crazy, gs, but I dont think that any lawyer deserves millions (half) of a settlement which is given to a person permanently disabled who will need that money for a reasonable life.

Lawyer's fees ought to be determined by case, like when you go to a garage and get your oil changed.

liberal karl
liberal karl

Not only that, gs, but the tax breaks that the Rich have got have done NOTHING to create jobs, while CEO salaries and compensations have gone through the roof. I just heard the other day that our tax rates aren't even near what they were in the Reagan era. Our deficit can't absorb another Wealthy Tax Cut, and yet self-centered people out there want all the tax breaks to continue just so they don't lose THEIR little slice of the pie. Hypocritical, ignorant fools. Most of these complainers will birch about "the DEFICIT!" and yet stump for things that will benefit THEM and STILL hurt the overall economy and deficit.

We are living in a nation of self-serving slobs who have no true concepts of morality or accountability to their neighbors. And yet they'll tell you we're a "Christian nation"?!

Do you see why I want to pull my gorgeous hair out?

movedsouth
movedsouth

I prefer the OLD tax system, the little you make, the little more you pay. I don't remember the figures, but back in the 70s, it went something like this:

If you made $5,000, you paid $500
over $5,000 it was 500 plus 11% above $5,000
over $6,000 it was 610 plus 12% above $6,000
over $7,000 it was 730 plus 13% above $7,000
over $8,000 it was 1090 plus 14% above $8,000

Let's go back to something like that, we ALL pay, and proportionately.

gonesouth
gonesouth

[quote]liberal karl said: "Call me crazy, gs, but I dont think that any lawyer deserves millions (half) of a settlement which is given to a person permanently disabled who will need that money for a reasonable life.Lawyer's fees ought to be determined by case, like when you go to a garage and get your oil changed."[/quote]


Like I said I do not care for lawyers like that. Thirty three percent is a little high, but if they do not win they do not collect. Risk reward situation.

movedsouth
movedsouth

"We are living in a nation of self-serving slobs who have no true concepts of morality or accountability to their neighbors."

I would say that was true if you dropped the "to their neighbors"

liberal karl
liberal karl

[quote]movedsouth said: "You're right karl, a factory worker should make the same as those running large corporations. Get real! Tell me just what, specifically, you would expect the wealthy to pay in taxes. And that includes a couple making $250,000/yr. What do you expect from them? "[/quote]

movesdouth, it's a little oronic that you ask this question and then go on to say that you like a kind of "progressive tax" of sorts.

Your question is a farce--I never said, nor implied, that a factory worker should make as much as a CEO. But a CEO shouldn't make 10,000X as much as his workers IF he's not going to provide those workers some kind of a future, with benefits, to compensate them for HIS "earned" wealth.

I wonder why you can't see this? Why do you defend those who have ruined our Middle Class--people, presumably, like YOU? Or are you just too old, and retired out the workforce, and already got your pension, and just simply don't give a rat's arse?

Tom
Tom

[quote]gonesouth said: "Karl the top what ever number you want to use EARNED their wealth. They pay taxes to fund the programs that help the needy, yet every time you turn around its they are not taxed enough or I do not make as much as they do and its not fair. [/quote]

Actually a great many inherited their wealth and increased it by abusing the system. Many of the "self-made" rich got that way by unfair business practices (Bill Gates comes readily to mind).

Many "Give" to the needy to look good and get a nicew tax write off.
Many don't pay close to what they would really owe due to havens and shelters and other financial gimmicks.

movedsouth
movedsouth

"Your question is a farce--I never said, nor implied, that a factory worker should make as much as a CEO. But a CEO shouldn't make 10,000X as much as his workers IF he's not going to provide those workers some kind of a future, with benefits, to compensate them for HIS "earned" wealth."


AND WHO IS TO DETERMINE IF HE DOES PROVIDE THAT? IF HE DOES PROVIDE REASONABLE BENEFITS, THEN IT'S OK TO MAKE BIG BUCKS. THEN IT'S OK FOR HIM/HER TO MAKE 10,000 TIMES WHAT THE WORKERS MAKE. A SMALL BUSINESS THAT TREATS HIS WORKERS WELL IS OK TO MAKE 10,000 TIMES WHAT HIS WORKERS MAKE.

Sorry karl all you profess is that it's OK for the people to live off those that excel and take risks.

movedsouth
movedsouth

Tom, yes many give to the needy to look good and get a tax write off. But, the way I look at it, if you give $100,000 and get a 40% tax break, it still cost you $60,000. Maybe there"s more to it.

gonesouth
gonesouth

[quote]Tom said: "Actually a great many inherited their wealth and increased it by abusing the system. Many of the "self-made" rich got that way by unfair business practices (Bill Gates comes readily to mind).Many "Give" to the needy to look good and get a nicew tax write off.Many don't pay close to what they would really owe due to havens and shelters and other financial gimmicks."[/quote]

I had that in a post that vanished into cyber land. Either they earn or get it from mom and dad.

Ultimately it will never matter what level they are taxed at or what income level they decide to tax. Those below will never see it as fair. It has always been like that.

liberal karl
liberal karl

[quote]movedsouth said: AND WHO IS TO DETERMINE IF HE DOES PROVIDE THAT? IF HE DOES PROVIDE REASONABLE BENEFITS, THEN IT'S OK TO MAKE BIG BUCKS. THEN IT'S OK FOR HIM/HER TO MAKE 10,000 TIMES WHAT THE WORKERS MAKE.[/quote]YES, EXACTLY, movedsouth--thank you for seeing the light!

Yes, you have finally articulated what I've been trying to say, ms. That I don;t give a hill of beans what someone makes--as long as they recognize and give back to THE PEOPLE WHO GOT THEM THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

In case I've misunderstood you, WHAT is your damage? Are you HONESTLY implying that it's OK for people to just step all over people on their way up the ladder? You DO know the proverb about that, don't you?

I've got some facts and figures for you that will show how spectacularly uninformed and ill-informed you are about the extreme depredation of the Middle Class by Big Business cannibals.

Get yourself some coffee and relax--I'm going to educate you later on...got errands to run...

movedsouth
movedsouth

KARL, who is to make that determination? For some people, like YOU, the wealthy would never pay enough.

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